Comments on: The Basics of Class Size – or – Why Vouchers Won’t Make a Difference http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/ All the random things that make me giggle, and some that don't. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:47:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: admin http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-3341 admin Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:00:38 +0000 http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/?p=268#comment-3341 Scott, Scott, Scott. The answer is not private schools. I will never put my children in private schools. They are not any better than public schools, research has proven it. Scott, Scott, Scott. The answer is not private schools. I will never put my children in private schools. They are not any better than public schools, research has proven it.

]]> By: scott http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-3339 scott Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:14:35 +0000 http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/?p=268#comment-3339 It's interesting to me that this is being framed in "money will stay behind" terms. When the subject of vouchers has come up in other states the pivotal issue was not class size or money, but rather the perception that parents now had some choice over where their kids went to school. It usually went something like "the good schools will thrive while the bad schools will suffer" kind of thing. Eh. I've already relegated myself to the reality that when the time comes, I'm just going to pay for private school anyway :D It’s interesting to me that this is being framed in “money will stay behind” terms. When the subject of vouchers has come up in other states the pivotal issue was not class size or money, but rather the perception that parents now had some choice over where their kids went to school. It usually went something like “the good schools will thrive while the bad schools will suffer” kind of thing.

Eh.
I’ve already relegated myself to the reality that when the time comes, I’m just going to pay for private school anyway :D

]]> By: Oreo Cookies and Vouchers | J.M. Bell - and Friends http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-3330 Oreo Cookies and Vouchers | J.M. Bell - and Friends Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:49:04 +0000 http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/?p=268#comment-3330 [...] The Basics of Class Size - or - Why Vouchers Won’t Make a Difference Last year we had about 108 sixth grade students at our school. With that number we were able to have four sixth grade teachers, meaning there were about 27 students in each class. This year we are down to 100 sixth grade students. That does not mean that we now have four classes of 25 students. Instead it means we have three classes of 33 students. [...] http://jmbell.org/blog/2007/10/12/oreo-cookies-and-vouchers/ [...] The Basics of Class Size – or – Why Vouchers Won’t Make a Difference Last year we had about 108 sixth grade students at our school. With that number we were able to have four sixth grade teachers, meaning there were about 27 students in each class. This year we are down to 100 sixth grade students. That does not mean that we now have four classes of 25 students. Instead it means we have three classes of 33 students. [...]

http://jmbell.org/blog/2007/10/12/oreo-cookies-and-vouchers/

]]> By: admin http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-3327 admin Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:06:56 +0000 http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/?p=268#comment-3327 They're talking about money and class size, indicating that if a child leaves, the class size would decrease and so the remaining money would be beneficial to the rest of the class. But you are right, there is nothing to say that the money would stay with the leaving student's classmates. In fact, it probably wouldn't. Plus, the child leaving could very easily result in a larger class size, something the Oreo people leave out. And then Oreos go stale after a while, just like the money will. And after five years the money that was "left" by the leaving student, will be taken away as well. They’re talking about money and class size, indicating that if a child leaves, the class size would decrease and so the remaining money would be beneficial to the rest of the class. But you are right, there is nothing to say that the money would stay with the leaving student’s classmates. In fact, it probably wouldn’t. Plus, the child leaving could very easily result in a larger class size, something the Oreo people leave out.

And then Oreos go stale after a while, just like the money will. And after five years the money that was “left” by the leaving student, will be taken away as well.

]]> By: Mr. Me http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/2007/10/the-basics-of-class-size-or-why-vouchers-wont-make-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-3325 Mr. Me Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:01:24 +0000 http://www.missgiggles.com/blog/?p=268#comment-3325 I don't think that the oreo commercial is commenting on class size. They're only talking about money. They are saying that not ALL the money that the schools get from the taxpayer base goes away with the child whose parents decide to use a voucher. Some of that money stays behind. So they're not deceptive as far as class size goes. Where they are deceptive is in the insinuation that the money stays in the same classroom that the child left. The money stays with the school district and the school district decided where that money goes. What are the chances that the district gives that money to the classroom that the child left? About zero. And that's where your argument about class size comes in. Since there are fewer children in the class, it could mean a larger class size. They're not going to take this sudden supposed voucher windfall and keep it in the same place. They're going to redistribute it as they see fit. They're going to put it where the children ARE, not where the children USED TO BE. That's the fallacy of the oreo commerical IMO. I don’t think that the oreo commercial is commenting on class size. They’re only talking about money. They are saying that not ALL the money that the schools get from the taxpayer base goes away with the child whose parents decide to use a voucher. Some of that money stays behind. So they’re not deceptive as far as class size goes.

Where they are deceptive is in the insinuation that the money stays in the same classroom that the child left. The money stays with the school district and the school district decided where that money goes. What are the chances that the district gives that money to the classroom that the child left? About zero.

And that’s where your argument about class size comes in. Since there are fewer children in the class, it could mean a larger class size. They’re not going to take this sudden supposed voucher windfall and keep it in the same place. They’re going to redistribute it as they see fit. They’re going to put it where the children ARE, not where the children USED TO BE. That’s the fallacy of the oreo commerical IMO.

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